Tuesday, October 07, 2008 Report – The 1st report for the 08/09 year.
Caution: I only had time to edit the email section. The rest is the same as the Feb. 22, 2007 report.
Click here for the TABLE OF CONTENTS for the “Extra Web Data” not in the email. This upper section will be used for minor updates until the next report is prepared. New items are preceded with an *.
Thursday, October 09: One of the dates for the Hamilton Ski Sale was incorrectly listed as Oct 20. I just corrected it. Also I added a link to Craig’s List. Previously it was not certain if there would be a ski sale in Salmon. It’s now certain that there WILL be a ski sale in Salmon, but the date is still uncertain, probably November 22. I also added an 8a. for a possible ski sale at the Snow Bowl ski area. Changes in text are indicated by “**”.
Check back here from time to time. I’ll post minor updates prior to my next email report.
Here are links to the last few reports of last year. Click on selected report: Final Report # 15: Apr 10, Report 14: Apr 04, Report 13: Mar 28, Report 12: Mar. 06, and Report 11: Feb. 19. Note that each report ends with xcskirpt08rr.htm where the rr is the report number.
The
Original Report Starts Here – The information above has been added since the
Email
This report starts
with the email I sent Tuesday, October 07, 2008 22:45 PM
Tuesday, October 07, 2008 22:45 PM, Updated October 09 20:55 PM.
Cross Country Skiers,
Please let me know if you don’t want to be on the list this year.
Note that I’ve recently
updated most of the links on my main XC Ski Page at: http://home.custertel.net/~ckeene41/cksalxcski.htm
There are some important dates coming up for some of you.
Some of the links may not work in your email. If so go to the web version at: http://home.custertel.net/~ckeene41/xcskirpt.htm - also note that I’ll probably not send out another email until mid November, but I will post a few updates on the web version. Let me know if you have any additions.
Ski Trail Trips: I’ll be exploring and working on ski trails at least once a week for the next month or so. My best days will be Tuesday or Thursday. I typically leave after 10:30 or sometimes just after lunch. Give me a call if you are interested in going. I’ll try and have a write-up at the following web site in a few days: http://home.custertel.net/~ckeene41/skitriprpt.htm
1. On Thursday, October 09, 07:00 PM the Bitterroot XC Ski Club has their first meeting at the Presbyterian Church, Main Street, Hamilton, MT. If you join and pay your dues or are already a member with paid up dues you can get an “early bird” chance to sign up for hosting the Gordon Reese Cabin. Due to the amount of work club members do, they are given first choice for some of the hosting dates. Even if you don’t plan to attend, I encourage you to join me as a member of this club. Individual dues are $15 for the Nov 01, 2008 – Oct 31, 2009 period. This money is for a good cause (maintaining the groomed Chief Joseph Trails and Cabin). Their web page doesn’t seem to be up to date with the details or with the latest Newsletter, but check http://www.bitterrootxcskiclub.net/ periodically for updates.
2. Friday – Saturday, October 10-11: Lost Trail Ski Patrol Ski Sale, Hamilton, MT. Drop off: Friday 06–08:30 pm. **Sale: Saturday, October 11, 10 am – Noon. Location: National Guard Armory, 7th & Main St. Call: (406) 777-2739 or 777-3242. **Also see details in Craig’s List. Note that there are no drop offs on Saturday morning. There WILL be a sale in Salmon, but the date is not certain. See below.
3. On Tuesday, October 14 the “call-in” to
“Host” the Gordon Reese Cabin at Chief Joseph Pass starts at 07:00 AM.
Call (406) 689-3371. For details click: http://www.fs.fed.us/r1/b-d/news/2008-09-12-d3-chiefjoseph-hosts.htm
Hosts shovel snow, tend the fire and hot water pot, do minor
housekeeping, and make the cabin available from 10:00 AM to 5:00 PM. After that
they have the cabin to themselves. There is no charge for winter “hosts”. For
more details, CLICK
HERE or CLICK
HERE. The Cabin is also available for rent in the summer (see rental
details below).
Go to http://www.fs.fed.us/r1/b-d/news/
for other Beaverhead News Releases. For example on Oct 21 there’s a tour of the
areas that have burned to the east of Chief Joseph.
4. Wednesday, October 15 is the deadline for the full discount on Lost Trail Ski Area season passes. Note that the full discount for ten day passes will remain through November 15. Go to http://www.losttrail.com/seasonpass.asp for details. Note that starting this year those over 70 will have to pay to ski, also note that for this age class only, the discounted season pass is cheaper than the ten day pass. One advantage of the ten day pass is that it can be carried over to next year (at least that’s always been the case).
5. Thursday – Sunday, October 16 – 19, 2008 “Sun Valley” Ski Swap in Hailey, ID: Location: Hailey Armory, 701 4th Avenue S, Hailey, ID. The following times were as listed for last year: Sale: Friday, October 17, 12-7pm, Saturday, October 18, 9am-5pm, Sunday October 19, 10am-1pm. Public Check-In: Thursday, October 16, 3-7pm. Public Pick Up: Sunday, October 19, 12-2pm. Go to http://www.svsef.org or CLICK HERE for more. Contact number for information is 788-0286.
6. Sunday, November 02, 2008 (Drop off on Saturday), Missoula, MT: Annual Safety On Snow Ski Swap (12:00AM). Drop off Saturday Nov 1st from 9:00 am to 5:00 pm. Sale is from 10:00 am to 3:00pm on Sunday and unsold equipment pick-up 5pm and 7pm Sunday. SOS benefits the Snowbowl and Bitterroot Resort Volunteer Patrols. CLICK HERE for web site. Go to the Trail Head current month calendar for information on several skiing related movies, etc.
7. November 07-09, Bogus Basin Ski Education Foundation Ski Swap, Boise, ID: Sale: November 7th through the 9th at “Expo Idaho”, Garden City. Drop off Nov. 6th. Click for details: http://www.bogusbasin.org/events/event-win.aspx?e=1156
8. November 07-09, Idaho Falls Ski Club Ski and Snowboard Sale and Festival: Click for details: http://www.ifskiclub.com/SkiBoardSaleFestival/tabid/54/Default.aspx
8. November 14: Ski Movie in Hamilton. Check with a Lost Trail Ski Patroller for details (or refer to contact number in # 2, above).
** 8a. Apparently there is a ski sale planned at the Missoula Snow Bowl Ski area. No details yet. I expect that it’s a sale of some of their rental equipment. I doubt if there would be any telemark equipment.
9. Late November ** probably November 22 there WILL be a Lost Trail Ski Patrol Ski Sale in Salmon. The date is not yet certain. Normally drop off on Friday evening and Saturday morning with the sale being from 10:00 AM to Noon on Saturday. Don’t expect very much in the way of cross country equipment.
Other options for Ski equipment: Both the Pipestone Mountaineering and the Trail Head in Missoula usually have discounted prices on last years equipment, especially demo gear. Another spot for good buys is the Gold Mine Thrift Store at 331 N Walnut Avenue, Ketchum, ID, (208) 726-3465. Just take the road to the east to Sun Valley off Hwy 75 onto 3rd street and turn left on Walnut Street. The store is on the left (west) side of the road. (Caution some phone lookups list this store as being in Belleview). If going down before ski season, you might call to see if they have set out their winter equipment yet.
FOREST SERVICE CABIN RESERVATIONS & RENTAL:
Skiers often rent some of the nearby Forest Service Cabins such as the Hogan
and May Creek Cabins on the Wisdom RD in Montana, and the William’s Creek
A-Frame or the Cape Horn Guard Station on the Salmon-Challis NF. Since 2006 the
cabin rental has been through contract, either on-line or via phone. There is
no October call-in for the Wisdom cabins as in the past or as is used for the
Gordon Reese Cabin. The time to call or reserve on-line is now 180 days prior
to the desired date (In some cases it appears to be 150 days). Thus virtually
all of the Friday and most of the Saturdays are taken for May Creek. The same
is the case for Hogan’s Cabin except that there are quite a few February-March
openings. All dates for the William’s Cr A-Frame and almost all dates for the
Cape Horn Guard Station are still available. You might verify by phone that
this is really the case and not a glitch on the web site. I’d suggest getting
on the web now to see what dates are currently available. To do that go to: http://www.recreation.gov/ and select the
“State” box and select either Idaho for William’s Cr A-Frame or Cape Horn, or
Montana for the Hogan or May Cr Cabins, and then type the first part of the
desired cabin name. For example “William” and then click on the link to the
William’s Creek A-Frame, etc. Then select “Range” and then the 1st
of your desired time and an ending search date that’s not over 12 weeks from
the start. However, you’ll only see a couple of weeks at a time anyway and can
continue scrolling ahead (or back) so the later date isn’t too critical. But
there is no sense in starting before Dec 1st because that’s the
earliest that the winter cabins rent. The latest seems to be March 15 or 31.
Now select “1” for length of stay. Since you selected 1 night there will almost
certainly be a date available. Now click on the “See Details” link. You’ll see
two weeks. If there are “X’s” it means that these days are out of the
reservation period or the cabin has already been reserved. If there is an “A”
listed, the cabin is available for that date. Hit your back button to go back
and try another cabin. Remember to change the state if you are now looking for
Hogan or May Cr Cabins. The rental time for these two cabins ends March 31. If
you find a desired date you can reserve it on-line. You will probably have to
“register” to do this. Before doing this you should click on the FAQS link and
read all the details. It’s not clear if you can still reserve a site by calling
in or not. I think you can. Their contact number is Toll Free 1-877-444-6777.
Once registered you’ll get some information which will usually also include the
padlock combination number. Once you get this information, I’d advise you to
call the FS Ranger District (Wisdom, Salmon-Cobalt, or Yankee Fork, for
example) to see if there are any problems and to verify that you have the
correct combination number. The district can also advise you as to the best
place to park and the best access route. These things often change so the “reservation
people” won’t have the latest. Plan to arrive as early as possible so that you
don’t have to try and open a combination in the dark, etc.
By Monday, I’ll have entered the results of our work days this summer at: http://home.custertel.net/~ckeene41/skitriprpt.htm
This report is on the web at: http://home.custertel.net/~ckeene41/xcskirpt.htm
/s/ Cliff
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TABLE OF CONTENTS: (Click on the following to jump
down to that section. Hit the Back Button to return here.)
1. PLANNED TRIPS:
2. PREVIOUS TRIPS:
3. Ski Trail Condition Reports: WILLIAM'S CR. TRAILS: ,
CHIEF JOSEPH - ANDERSON MT. ROAD
AREA:
4. MISC.:
5. AVALANCHE:
6. OTHER WEB LINKS:
The last FULL REPORT # 11 was Feb. 15. All paragraphs changed since then are preceded by an asterisk (*). To find these, do an EDIT> FIND and type in an asterisk. If you close the find box you can call it up again with a CTRL-F and continue to find the asterisks. If I make any minor updates, I won't send out any notice but they will be preceded with two asterisks (**).
INTRODUCTION: To better understand planned trips and previous trip reports, I encourage you to get three maps. Go to the A. INTRODUCTION Section of my Salmon Idaho Cross-Country Ski Web Page for Details.
The current ski report will always be, posted on http://home.custertel.net/~ckeene41/xcskirpt.htm. I saved the first report as http://home.custertel.net/~ckeene41/xcskirpt0701.htm (ends in 0701) and the next report ends in 0702, etc. As I post new reports this year they’ll be labeled xcskirpt0703, ...0704, … 0709, etc.
If you want me to make changes on the email list, call me at 208-756-2085 or email me. You can get my email from the messages that I send to you or call me. Currently we about have over 80 on the list.
PLANNED
TRIPS:
See above.
PREVIOUS
TRIPS:
For a short description of each ski trip to date for the current 2006-2007
season go to: http://home.custertel.net/~ckeene41/skitriprpt.htm
Scroll down, or click on the February 2007, or December or November 2006
link to jump to that section.
Last years trips can be found at: http://home.custertel.net/~ckeene41/skitriprpt05_06.htm including a Ski Year 2005/2006 Wrap-Up.
SKI REPORT:
Use the following Williams Cr.
Ski Trails Links to better understand the trail condition reports:
Trail
Descriptions Trailhead
Locations Trail Map Trail Segment table
Trail Condition Map (To be added later.)
On Monday, February 5, I measured the following trailhead snow depths:
Cougar Point: 16”, Big Fir: 17”, Meadow 23”, and Mukluk: 20”. The Monday, 10:00
AM Lemhi Ridge Snotel depth was 24.0”. Since this is only an inch more than the
Meadow TH, we can use the Lemhi Ridge Snotel as a fairly good gauge of our XC
ski trails snow depth. On Sunday, February 11 the Meadow TH was still 23”, but
based on the Lemhi Ridge Snotel which is now over 31”, I’d guess that we should
have a little more snow now.
Previously all the William’s Cr. Trails were GOOD TO EXCELLENT with some exceptions. We seem to be having cycles of excellent snow followed by warm spells which results in the more exposed southerly slopes being crusty. This is then followed by more snow and excellent conditions. However, conditions have generally been excellent on the flatter previously skied trails. Earlier this week we had the warm cycle, but with the recent snow and predicted snow, we should have excellent conditions again this weekend. Previously, I listed the following exceptions to good skiing. They probably still apply. On the (upper) Buckhorn Trail # 224 a little below the A-Frame there’s a steep pitch that may require caution. Where the (upper) William’s Cr. Trail # 078 leaves the Ridge Road it is very steep and it should be side stepped by most skiers. Further on this trail just before this trail crosses the creek heading toward the big fir trailhead there are rocks (This was confirmed on Monday, 02/19/07). When we get the warm cycle again use caution on the steeper portions of the William’s Cr. Trail. In addition the Meadow Trail # 222 fork that goes down to Cougar Point might become crusty again and there still may be stumps and logging slash where the trail crosses the logging cutting unit. See my trip report for Tuesday 01/16/07 for both these last two cautions. The Perreau Meadows Trail # 624.5 has many areas exposed to the sun and will have a crust if we get another warm cycle. Also, use caution because it’s not marked very well and you probably won’t be able to find our tracks so you might get lost. The North Moccasin Trail hasn’t been checked for awhile. It should only be skied by a group of advanced skiers, with at least one being familiar with the trail. The same caution applies to the Mukluk Trail, although we have skied it this year. The Mukluk Trail now has enough snow, and because it faces north, will probably be at least fair even if we get another warm cycle. The same applies to the upper Shoshoni Trail, a telemark run for advanced skiers. (These last two trails are not on the map. See the Trail Description Page for details.
The LEMHI RIDGE SNOTEL (adjusted) snow depth reading at 01:00 AM on Thursday, February 15, 2007, 7 days ago, was 31.8" with a density of 18.2%. Maximum temperatures have ranged from +25.6 to +40.0; being above freezing for three days and also today. However the prediction is for cooler temperatures and some snow, so conditions should be good this weekend. As of 01:00 AM on Thursday, February 22, 2007, in 7 days Lemhi Ridge has increased about 4.7” and settled about 3.8” to 32.7”, (Based on daily readings) for a net change of +0.9”. Note that these snow depths are based on daily readings. See next paragraph.
Sometimes when one compares daily readings and there’s been a fair snowfall during the early part of the period, there will be settling of the snow before the next reading. Thus daily readings may understate the actual snowfall. I have the option of using 3 hour readings. However, there is always some fluctuation in the depth gauge readings even when we know there was no snowfall or appreciable melting. Thus sometimes the 3 hours reading actually overstate the snowfall. In other words, fluctuations in the depth gauge are reported as snowfall.
Calculated Snow Density has ranged from about 18.7% up to 19.6%. The "current" (01:00 AM) value is 19.6%. Note that this is the density of the entire snow pack. The density of the top layer that powder skiers ski in will be somewhat lower than this. This is about 1.4% higher than in past week.
The midnight PST (01:00 AM MST) reading for Snow Water Equivalent was 6.4”, 80% of average, or an increase of 3% since February 15.
Weather Prediction: CLICK
HERE for the 7
day forecast for the approximate location of William’s Cr. Summit. CLICK
HERE for the Table Version of the forecast. Note that the table
version sometimes gives a better display of snow accumulation.
CLICK
HERE for an alternate more graphical weather forecast for William’s
Cr. Summit. It looks like we will get some snow tonight. Predicted
temperatures for the next several days are to be below freezing.
CHIEF JOSEPH - ANDERSON MT. ROAD AREA
The groomed Chief Joseph Trails and the un-groomed trails should be excellent. CLICK HERE for my latest report. Note that although the Richardson Ridge and the Cabinet Cr. / Shoofly Trailheads are being occasionally plowed, they are often only suitable for a high clearance 4 wheel drive. Go to the Bitterroot X-C Ski Club snow conditions reports at: http://www.bitterrootxcskiclub.net/conditions.htm and also to the Missoula Nordic Ski Club grooming page and scroll down to “Chief Joseph”: http://missoulanordic.org/cgi-bin/snow_grooming/discus.cgi to see any updated information.
Check for any Beaverhead NF news releases. (They just posted an update.)
The Saddle Mountain SNOTEL lists snow conditions similar to the top of the Lost Trail Ski Area and similar to Chief Joseph Pass. The snow depth reading at 01:00 AM on Friday, February 12, 2007, 6 days ago, was 53.3” with a density reading of 26.3%. Maximum temperatures have ranged from +24.2 to +39.1; being below freezing for all but two days. Temperatures were also below freezing today. As of 01:00 AM on Friday, February 22, 2007, in 7 days Saddle Mtn. has increased about 11.6” and settled about 1.1” to 63.8”, (Based on daily readings) for a net change of +10.5”. These Snotel accumulations are based on daily readings and the actual accumulation is probably higher. See my comments regarding 3 hour readings in the Lemhi Ridge Section . CLICK HERE for Saddle Mtn 3hr readings.
Lost
Trail reported the following Snow Data:
|
And here’s
the comparable Snotel reading.
New 24Hr Bottom Top
| Snotel
Date/Approx-Time Temp
Snow Depth Depth | Depth (01:00 AM)
Thu 11/30/06 12PM 10
06” 13” 18” | 18.5
See Last weeks report for missing values
Wed
02/14/07 10AM 24 06”
59” 65” | 53.3
Fri
02/16/07 ??AM ?? 02”
59” 65” | 56.6
Sat
02/17/07 06AM 22 04”
64” 71” | 57.1
Thu
02/22/07 06AM 24 10”
64” 71” | 63.8
Calculated Snow Density has ranged from about 24.5% up to 26.3%. The "current" (01:00 AM) value is 24.5%, 1.8% less than last week. Note that this is the density of the entire snow pack. The density of the top layer that powder skiers ski in will usually be much lower than this.
The midnight PST (01:00 AM MST) reading for Snow Water Equivalent was 15.6”, which is 75% of average, 5% higher than it was February 15. Overall the Salmon River Basin was 77.7% of normal.. Salmon Basin (and other Idaho) readings can be found HERE. Scroll down to the Salmon Basin and select the Site of interest such as Lemhi Ridge or Saddle Mountain or the Basin Wide Summary. Then look at the Percent Departure from Avg. Column. Subtracting this value from 100 gives the Percent of Normal Value.
Weather Prediction: CLICK
HERE for
"Lost Trail Pass" NOAA NWS Digital Forecast. CLICK
HERE for the Table Version of the forecast. The table version gives a
little bit clearer picture, but it doesn’t print out very well.
CLICK
HERE or CLICK
HERE for two alternate weather forecasts for the Lost Trail area. There’s
more snow predicted for tonight and temperatures are predicted to be below
freezing for the next several days.
Another good forecast is the backcountry weather forecast. Look for the Bitterroot – Lost Trail Pass area. This doesn’t cover as long a period so you need to check it again periodically. Notice that this lists the “Snow Level” (The elevation where rain changes to snow.) Thankfully the snow level is somewhat lower than the ski area.
Lost Trail Ski Area. LOST TRAIL is open. Today they measured 64” at the lodge and 71” on top and will have Chairs #2 & 4 running, with all lifts open on weekends. They are now running the “Saddle Mtn. Chair # 4 on Thursdays and Fridays from now on. Here’s their ski report: http://www.losttrail.com/snowreport.asp Lately their readings for snow depth at the top of the mountain have been somewhat higher than the “Saddle Mountain Snotel” site which is not actually on Saddle Mountain but rather just off the Saddle Mountain Road, about a half mile NW of the top of Chairs 1 & 2. The latest daily reading was 53.3”. See the Snotel daily readings taken at Midnight Pacific Time (01:00 AM our time) at: http://www3.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/nwcc/sntl-data0000.jsp?site=727&days=20&state=MT. This report only lists daily readings, which is often less confusing. But to see the latest current depth or temperature, you’ll need to go to the 3 hour report at: http://www3.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/nwcc/sntl-datarpt.jsp?site=727&days=14&state=MT.
Links to Lost Trail & Chief
Joseph Ski reports:
If you want the link to Lost Trail and dozens of others GO TO "CLIFF'S
SALMON IDAHO, CROSS COUNTRY SKI PAGE" at: http://home.custertel.net/~ckeene41/cksalxcski.htm
For Chief Joseph reports see my comments in the email above. Check the
following links for any new updates
Missoula Nordic Ski Club: http://missoulanordic.org/cgi-bin/snow_grooming/discus.cgi
Scroll down to "Chief Joseph.":
Bitterroot Cross Country Ski Club: http://www.bitterrootxcskiclub.net/conditions.htm
Scroll down a ways.
CLICK HERE to see if there are any
ski related news releases from the Beaverhead National Forest.
They have been posting quite a few updates lately, check ‘em out.
CJ & LT MAPS: The Idaho Falls Ski Club has
links to local XC Ski Area Maps. Click
Here for links to very good maps and information for Chief Joseph
and for Mt. Haggin. I think the IF Ski Club’s map is the same as the one
shown HERE.
Here’s Jay
Silveira’s scanned image of the latest Lost Trail area map
Some ski related forums have
semi local information. The following SW
Montana Telemark Tips Forum topic sometimes has information related to
Lost Trail and Chief Joseph. Click on the last page number listed for
current information:
The following “No Bull Ski Reports” Forum used to have regular Lost Trail
Reports, but the author moved to Vermont, so most likely any reports will be
ones that I post. I still enjoy reading some of the posts so I’ll leave the
link here for awhile. http://www.firsttracksonline.com/boards/viewforum.php?f=3
* The previous author of the Lost Trail Reports has a nice web site and I still
enjoy viewing his reports and photos at: http://www.jandeproductions.com
MISC.:
Skating Party: Sometimes if the snow isn’t too soft it’s possible to
skate ski at Chief Joseph after the ski trails are given the first grooming and
before the actual tracks are set. That’s been called the “Skating Party” and is
described as follows: "The skating party … refers to the fact that in the
morning and usually until about 1pm on Fridays (the USUAL grooming day) you can
skate-ski at Chief Joe. ... They do a very nice job dragging implements around
to flatten and wipe out the old tracks and prepare it for the new tracks. The
best trails to skate on are the wider roads like CD, Timber, and up around
Sentinel meadow and back to the trailhead. ... At about 1:00 PM they start
setting the track classic kick and glide track so one needs to plan to skate before
this”.
2007 update: CLICK HERE to find the Bitterroot XC Ski Club’s 2 February 2007 Ski Condition Report where they state: “Any of our members that would like to do some skate skiing can use (the) Broadway or (Timber) Trails”. This is a change from previous regulations. Normally we get enough new snow that one might expect good skating for only a day or so after grooming (usually on Fridays).
I'm sometimes asked where a good place to “skate-ski” is. In addition to the above Friday Morning Skating Party at Chief Joseph Pass, some of the groomed snowmobile trails are suitable. Usually the skate skiing is best soon after grooming. Probably the best spot is the Ridge Road. Other possibilities include Carmen Creek, and possibly the lower Warm Springs Wood Road. When recommending these snowmobile routes for skiing, I always add that we need to use courtesy and give the snowmobiles the right of way. I point out that we can’t have it both ways. We DO prefer that the snowmobiles stay off the ski trails, so we should use extra courtesy when we use the snowmobile trails.
The Salmon Ridgerunners Snowmobile Club had a web site at http://www.geocities.com/salmonridgerunners/ but it hasn’t been updated since January 2004. Additional information can be found at: http://salmonchamber.com/recreation-winter.htm and possibly at the Idaho State Snowmobile Association web site
SNOWMOBILE / SKATE SKIING GROOMING REPORTS: (Also includes other snowmobile club info and Mountain Bike Club Info):
Here’s the latest Ski Skating / Snowmobile Grooming Report: I don’t have a current grooming report, but from personal observation on Sunday 02/04/07 the Ridge Road was fairly smooth for snowmobiles and for classic skiing, but it didn’t appear to me to be smooth enough for good skate skiing.
In addition, periodically
check out the Bitterroot Ridgerunners Snowmobile Club at:
http://www.ridgerunners.org/ - Check
out the Announcements and Club Info link. They have some interesting
information in their December meeting minutes and there’s also a list of 2007
events including some “fun runs”.
The following site normally
has fairly current reports of major avalanches for the US & Canada. http://www.avalanche.org/av-reports/index.html There
are several new reports listed since last week. There are links to news
reports.
The following site has US Avalanches only otherwise it’s the same list as the
above list, but you might check it out in case it has something not listed
above: http://avalanche.state.co.us/Accidents/UnitedStates/
The following link only has a list
with no reports. It does however list world-wide accidents rather than just
North America.
http://www.csac.org/Incidents/
If you want to see a list of earlier reports (Up through Dec. 2005) go to
their database at: http://www.avalanche-center.org/Incidents/search.php
Avalanche conditions are rated as: Low, Moderate, Considerable, High, and Extreme. Go to http://www.avalanche.org/~svavctr/danger.php for definitions. You should try and become familiar with the critical slopes for avalanches. This time of year, 30 degrees (58%) slope is the start of concern, and real concern starts at 35 degrees (70%) slope. In some conditions (usually with wet snow) there is concern down to 25 degrees (47%) slope. When I laid out timber sales I used to be able to judge these slopes better. Note however that of our marked ski trails only the Upper Shoshoni Trail exceeds 47% (for one short pitch). Note that there are some undesignated trails that we ski that do exceed these slopes.
Go to my General Cross Country Ski Page to the Avalanche Section for these several web sites, including the following:
Go to the following link for
the latest Sawtooth NF Avalanche Center:
http://www.avalanche.org/~svavctr/adv_current.php.
Always check the date on these reports. Currently this report is updated every
couple of days or so, with the latest report to date being Wednesday, February
21.
There is an alternate link to the same site at: http://www.sawtoothavalanche.com/adv_current.php
Go to the following link for the latest West Central Montana Avalanche e
Center prediction:
http://www.fs.fed.us/r1/lolo/avalanche/advisory.htm.
Regular reports will be each Friday. There may be special reports from
time to time. The most recent is one for February 16, 2007.
Here’s a link, not yet in my main ski page. CLICK
HERE for a description of an Avalanche Danger Rose that’s used by
the Utah Avalanche Center for some of their forecasts. I haven’t seen it used
on our local sites, but it may be in the future. Here’s an actual forecast
using the “Rose”.
OTHER WEB LINKS:
In evaluating ski conditions I've found the following SNOTEL link
helpful: http://www.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/cgibin/sdr.pl?state=MT
Select Saddle Mt. or Lemhi Ridge for snow conditions near Lost Trail; or
near Lemhi Pass, which is usually comparable to William's Creek Summit. If you
want TO SEE THIS LINK and dozens of others GO TO "CLIFF'S SALMON IDAHO,
CROSS COUNTRY SKI PAGE" at: http://home.custertel.net/~ckeene41/cksalxcski.htm
The Current “Ski Report” (This page) is: http://home.custertel.net/~ckeene41/xcskirpt.htm
My Introduction to X-C Skiing is at: http://home.custertel.net/~ckeene41/IntroToXc101.htm
Most all the links are now up to date. Let me know of any good links to add or
correct.
In addition to those pages I have
links to several related to the Williams Creek Cross-Country Ski Trails Area
as follows:
a. General description - http://www.salmonbyway.com/salmon/ski.htm
b. Cliff's Williams Cr. Ski Trails Sites:
Trail
Descriptions Trailhead
Locations Trail Map Trail Segment table
This last table gives the mileage for each segment of a trail and indicates
where there’s a trail junction. The total miles from the trailhead is listed
for each segment, with the last "Miles From TH" being the total miles
one would ski to get to the end of the trail, which is often at another
trailhead. I've still got some work on these, so let me know of additions,
corrections or changes needed. You may copy this; just give credit if you
publish it.
I’m working on pages similar
to the above for the Lost Trail – Chief Joseph Un-Groomed Cross Country Ski
Trails:
c. I currently have a Lost Trail Chief
Joseph Trail Segment Table in draft format.
I also have four pages for PREVIOUS
TRIP REPORTS:
a. Current Season
2006_2007. Now edited through February 02, 2007.
b. 2005_2006 Season,
c. 2004_2005 Season,
and d. 2003_2004
(Partial) Season.
Links not yet in "CLIFF'S
SALMON IDAHO, CROSS-COUNTRY SKI PAGE:
Here's a link to a site that describes the TEN ESSENTIALS to carry on
the trail. He's added a few additional items:
http://www.isu.edu/outdoor/ten.htm
Some folks may want to do some
skiing in Stanley Basin or the Sawtooth Valley:
The following site has links to the summer recreation report (last updated in
September) and to some general info re winter recreation:
http://www.fs.fed.us/r4/sawtooth/recreation.htm.
The Outdoors Sections
of the Missoulian and the Ravalli Republic on-line newspapers
often have articles of interest.
CLICK HERE for the Outdoors
Section of the Missoulian On-Line. Check out the latest Outdoors News Briefs. Although
I don’t see too much of interest except the Chief Joseph Snow Report. I was
especially interested in a previous ARTICLE
ABOUT THE SUGAR LOAF CABINS AT THE MT. HAGGIN XC SKI AREA.
CLICK HERE for
the Outdoors Section of the Ravalli Republic. Currently I see at least
two articles of interest. One is about Chief
Joseph Pass and the other is about the Lost
Trail Ski Area and some recent changes.
Last years articles are no longer listed but the
following links to some interesting articles still work: An article relating
to the Lost
Trail Ski Patrol, another that relates to Nordic
Skiing including areas to skate ski, and another on snowboarding at
Lost Trail Ski Area called Battle
On The Border.
CLICK HERE for the Outdoors Section of the Butte Montana Standard Newspaper.
CLICK HERE for the Outdoors Section of the Boise Idaho Statesman Newspaper.
Here's an interesting link to some
history of ski (mountaineering) equipment:
http://www.alpenglow.org/ski-history/notes/ms/rei-catalogs.html
Here's Lou Binik's
"Foxwear" web site:
http://www.foxwear.net/. Be sure to copy
or type this correctly. "foxware.net", "foxware.com" and
"foxwear.com" are all different sites.
Tawna Skinner services cross country
skis and equipment.
She will also give cross country and telemark ski instruction.
Details are at: http://home.custertel.net/~ckeene41/TawnaXCski.htm
Here’s another club with similar interests in trail development. The Lost Trail Coalition was formed in January 2005 to benefit all bicyclists in the region.
Pray for snow,
Cliff Keene, Salmon, Idaho
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