Friday December 14, 2012 Report - The 5th full report for the 2012 / 2013 year.

Updated with short reports through April 18th 2013

Click here for the TABLE OF CONTENTS for the "Extra Web Data" not in the email. This upper section will be used for minor updates until the next report is prepared. New items are preceded with an *


Minor Updates: (The main report at http://home.custertel.net/~ckeene41/xcskirpt.htm is sent to the email list. Sometimes minor updates are added here.).
Thu 04/18/2013 05:15 PM

XC Skiers and Hikers,

This will be my last "Ski Report". Mostly I want to make sure you are aware of the upcoming volunteer projects, especially the Discovery Hill trail work and cleanup, Saturday, April 20. Meet at the Discovery Hill trailhead at 9 a.m. We'll work until noon and then enjoy an outdoor BBQ. Bring work gloves and wear hiking shoes and comfortable work clothes - Trail work tools will be provided. An optional community bike ride along the Disco trails follows at 1 p.m. For more information about this and other "Earth Day" projects CLICK HERE or Click Here and Click Here. Although designed in mind for mountain bike riders, the trails provide excellent hiking and nature viewing opportunities. For some information about hiking and flower gazing go to my Discovery Hill Plant Hikes and Maps Page at: http://tinyurl.com/DiscoHillPlants We have suggestions for shorter flower walking hikes with links to some of our trips last spring.

This year we've seen: Yellow Bells, Buttercups, Cushion Phlox, Spring or Desert Parsley, Yellow Alysimum and lots of Bitterroot Leaves. The Cushion Ball Cactus should be blooming soon. It will be a white bloom. There is a real pretty magenta ball cactus that we’ve seen at the head of Kriley Gulch (we go in from Forth of July Cr). We've also seen them just East of the North Fork Store. We'll be making a trip to Kriley soon.

Note: I have Windows XP which only allows me to use Windows Internet Explorer 8. I've found that a few of the DISCO hill maps don't display properly. However I found that Fire Fox and Google Chrome seem to work ok.

Skiing: The snow has melted quite a bit above Cougar Point. There's virtually no snow until you get up to the Lower Aspen Loop. Last Sunday, we skied the William's Creek Trail from the "Big Meadow" down to the Lower Aspen loop. Once we realized that there was virtually no snow on the south side of many larger trees (tree wells) we had great skiing. However, I'd recommend that if anyone wants to ski now they'd be better off going to Chief Joseph. The report from last weekend was that the skiing was excellent. Conditions vary depending on the temperature and sun however.

If the above links don't display properly go to http://home.custertel.net/~ckeene41/xcskirpt.htm and find the on-line copy of this message.

/s/ Cliff


 

Last Week's Report: Fri 04/12/2013 04:35 PM

XC Skiers,

If you don't want to read anything about snow, scroll down to bottom for some hiking links.

Ski Trips:
It looks like we are returning to winter for a few days. Tim J. and I are planning to meet at the Shoup Bridge CG this Sunday, April 14 at 10:30 AM for a ski trip up William's Cr. somewhere. On our last trip the snow had settled and the skiing was great. It will probably be snowing but we are hoping for some last of the season powder.

If you are done with winter you might still be interested in some snow statistics. I have a spreadsheet that can be updated to the latest snow water content, depth, density, and percent of average water content. Most of our nearby Snotel sites are showing about 80% of average. Click here for a spreadsheet that shows yesterday's data. If you have MS Excel you should be able to follow the directions to update it to today's values. If the spreadsheet doesn't work, Click here for the ".HTML" version. (It can't be updated).

Although lower elevation snow depths drop off much sooner - at the higher elevations where our irrigation water comes from, say near William's Cr. Summit, depths don't start dropping until mid March to Mid April. Normally snow moisture content drops off somewhat later usually about mid April. Click here and scroll down for some graphs that show current year and average snow water and current year depths for Lemhi Ridge which is usually similar to William's Creek Summit. Snow depths at Lemhi Ridge (and William's Cr Summit) often reach 40". Note that this year it will probably not exceed 33". The Saddle Mountain Snotel is not at Saddle Mountain, its SW of the Saddle Mtn (Chair 4) chair lift. Snow depths commonly reach 70 - 100 inches. Click here and scroll down for some graphs that show current year and average snow water and current year depths for this Snotel. Note that the maximum depth will probably not exceed 64" this year as I suspect that the depth will start dropping after this weekend's storm. Snow water may still increase it often doesn't drop at this Snotel until late April as shown on the graph. River runners might be interested in the main page for the about links. Click here for the Northwest River Forecast Center Current Station Snow Conditions page.

Click Here for the Wms Cr Trail Map. (Only the Lower Shoshone Trail is shown however, not the steep Upper Shoshone or the Mukluk Trails.). The Horselog trails are not on the official trail system so they are also not on the map.

Click here for an updated NRCS 10 day report for "Saddle Mtn" Snotel or Click here for a 48 hour NOAA version that estimates snowfall. Note that the 10 day NRCS reports show midnight PST (2am MDT) readings with the latest at the bottom. The NOAA reports show hourly (Mountain Time) readings with the latest reading at the top. Snow depth will be almost the same at Chief Joseph.

Click here for the Lost Trail Pass weather forecast.

Click here for an NRCS 10 day report for Morgan Cr Summit Snotel or Click here for a 48 hour NOAA version that estimates snowfall. Note that the 10 day NRCS reports show midnight PST (2am MDT) readings with the latest at the bottom. The NOAA reports show hourly (Mountain Time) readings with the latest reading at the top. These readings will be similar to William's Cr. Summit.

Click here for the William's Cr. Summit weather forecast.

Click Here to go to the section of my web page that gives links to snow and weather info sources. Navigate around and find added info about the trails.

General News:

If you are interested in hiking or flower gazing and of course biking, the Discovery Hill area is a great place to go. Check out the sign at the main parking lot. It said there will be a work day and picnic on April 20. Marlene and I try and make a 2-3 mile hike a couple of times each week now to see the flowers and get exercise. Click here for my page with lots of links to maps, trail information and flower info. If you only want one map click here. There are still lots of yellow bells, buttercups, and cushion Phlox and as it warms up we'll start to see ball cactus and bitterroots (the bitterroot leaves are now numerous so it may be a great display in a few weeks. I just found a link at Lemhi web re the Disco Hill work day and several other volunteer projects click here for details.

Sun Valley is offering two ski lift tickets for the price of one this Sunday. Click here.

If the above links don't display properly go to http://home.custertel.net/~ckeene41/xcskirpt.htm and find the on-line copy of this message.

/s/ Cliff


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Fri 03/08/2013 04:25 PM

XC Skiers,

Ski Trips:
Don't forget to set your clock ahead. Meet at the Shoup Bridge Campground Sunday March 10 at 10:15 AM MDT for a trip up William's Creek. Tim J. is down from the CDL area. We are considering skiing the Mukluk Trail. Generally most snow in the open is going to have a crust. However the Mukluk shouldn't be too bad because much of it is north facing. Last Tuesday we parked at the Lower Shoshoni Trailhead and skied the "Horse-Log" roads and then down to the Mukluk Trailhead. The snow had settled considerably since our last trip there, and breaking trail was fairly easy. With the generally shady conditions and north facing slopes, there wasn't much of a sun crust. Click Here for the Wms Cr Trail Map. (Only the Lower Shoshone Trail is shown however, not the steep Upper Shoshone or the Mukluk Trails.). The Horselog trails are not on the official trail system so they are also not on the map.

Snow conditions are a little hard to predict because we've had some warm weather. Please note that the Meadow Spur and Wapiti Loop get moderate ski traffic and are generally good to excellent for all but first day skiers. Those tele skiers that want to "meadow skip" may find crust in the open meadows however. With the more settled snow it's easier to explore new areas than previously.

Click here for an updated NRCS 10 day report for "Saddle Mtn" Snotel or Click here for a 48 hour NOAA version that estimates snowfall. Note that the 10 day NRCS reports snow midnight PST (2am MDT) readings with the latest at the bottom. The NOAA reports show hourly (Mountain Time) readings with the latest reading at the top. Snow depth will be almost the same at Chief Joseph.

Click here for the Lost Trail Pass weather forecast.

Click here for an NRCS 10 day report for Morgan Cr Summit Snotel or Click here for a 48 hour NOAA version that estimates snowfall. Note that the 10 day NRCS reports snow midnight PST (2am MDT) readings with the latest at the bottom. The NOAA reports show hourly (Mountain Time) readings with the latest reading at the top. These readings will be similar to William's Cr. Summit.

Click here for the William's Cr. Summit weather forecast.

Click Here to go to the section of my web page that gives links to snow and weather info sources. Note that some of the NRCS reports have changed so I'll need to make some minor edits. Navigate around and find added info about the trails. One of the links is to the Bitterroot XC Ski Club's home page which shows the winners of their annual fundraising raffle. CLICK HERE to see a list of the Raffle winners.

General XC Ski News:

Click here for a Missoulian article re our ungroomed trails near Chief Joseph Pass or Click here for the same article in the Ravalli Republic.

If the above links don't display properly go to http://home.custertel.net/~ckeene41/xcskirpt.htm and find the on-line copy of this message.

/s/ Cliff

Tue 03/04/2013 05:10 PM

XC Skiers,

Ski Trips:
* Meet at the Shoup Bridge Campground Tomorrow Tuesday March 5 at 10:30 AM for a trip up William's Creek. Renee Snyder (just retired from the FS/BLM) and I are going to ski somewhere near William's Creek Summit. I hope you can join us. I think there's been a couple of inches of new snow. We may park at the Lower Shoshoni Trailhead and ski the old "Horse-Log" Roads and then either back to the trailhead or down to the Mukluk Trailhead. The snow is usually better in that area. It was excellent about a week ago and our tracks should be partially visible. Click Here for the Wms Cr Trail Map. (Only the Lower Shoshone Trail is shown however, not the steep Upper Shoshone or the Mukluk Trails.). The Horselog trails are not on the official trail system so they are also not on the map.

* Snow conditions are a little hard to predict because we've had some warm weather. Yesterday at Lost Trail the snow was fairly powdery but there was a rain or sun crust down a couple of inches. We skied the "Old 93 Road" down to the West Camp Cr. Road. We ate lunch at the Lost Trail "Yurt" and skied out the West Camp Creek Road (at this point we are actually skiing down East Camp Creek) to our shuttle vehicle. We then re-shuttled and skied down the old Moose Creek Road. I think conditions will be similar tomorrow. Please note that the Meadow Spur and Wapiti Loop get moderate ski traffic and are generally good to excellent for all but first day skiers. Those tele skiers that want to "meadow skip" may find crust in the open meadows however.

Click here for an updated 10 day report for "Saddle Mtn" Snotel. Click here for the Lost Trail Pass weather forecast.

Click here for the 10 day report for Morgan Cr Summit Snotel. Click here for the William's Cr. Summit weather forecast.

Click Here to go to the section of my web page that gives links to snow and weather info sources. Navigate around and find added info about the trails. One of the links is to the Bitterroot XC Ski Club's home page which includes information about their annual fundraising raffle.

Note: The following sentence should have been deleted. The Raffle is over. Sadly all the winners were 406 numbers no 208 winners. {PLEASE GO TO THE ODD FELLOWS BAKERY and buy one or more of the 5 dollar Bitterroot XC Ski Club Raffle Tickets. Check out the flier which lists six possible prizes or click here for the on-line version.} CLICK HERE to see a list of the Raffle winners.

If the above links don't display properly go to http://home.custertel.net/~ckeene41/xcskirpt.htm and find the on-line copy of this message.

/s/ Cliff

Fri 02/08/2013 12:50 PM

XC Skiers, (* = New info)

Ski Trips:
* Meet at the Shoup Bridge Campground Tomorrow Saturday February 09 at 10:15 AM for a trip up William's Creek. Currently I'm planning to park at the Lower Shoshoni Trailhead and ski the old "Horse-Log" Roads and then either back to the trailhead or down to the Mukluk Trailhead. The snow is usually better in that area. We will probably need to break trail, but the trip should be suitable for well behaved and well conditioned dogs. Click Here for the Wms Cr Trail Map. (Only the Lower Shoshone Trail is shown however, not the steep Upper Shoshone or the Mukluk Trails.). The Horselog trails are not on the official trail system so they are also not on the map.

* Snow conditions are a little hard to predict because it's been over a week since we've had significant snow.

Click here for an updated 10 day report for "Saddle Mtn" Snotel. Click here for the Lost Trail Pass weather forecast.

Click here for the 10 day report for Morgan Cr Summit Snotel. Click here for the William's Cr. Summit weather forecast.

Click Here to go to the section of my web page that gives links to snow and weather info sources. Navigate around and find added info about the trails. One of the links is to the Bitterroot XC Ski Club's home page which includes information about their annual fundraising raffle.

PLEASE GO TO THE ODD FELLOWS BAKERY and buy one or more of the 5 dollar Bitterroot XC Ski Club Raffle Tickets. Check out the flier which lists six possible prizes or click here for the on-line version.

Upcoming Events:

*Click here for info on Skijoring races at Old Cutter's subdivision in Hailey on Saturday, Feb. 9, and Sunday, Feb. 10, with races starting at noon both days.

The Big Hole Valley will once again host skijoring during Winterfest on Saturday, Feb. 23, and Sunday, Feb. 24. The races will be on one of the Wisdom City Streets. Click here for more information.

March 2 & 3, 2013 - Sawtooth Ski Club (Stanley, ID) 11th Annual Ski Festival. Click Here.

Here's a neat article about the Chief Joseph and Lake Como Trails and their cooperative efforts to provide both track and skate ski opportunities. Click here for more information.

If the above links don't display properly go to http://home.custertel.net/~ckeene41/xcskirpt.htm and find the on-line copy of this message.

/s/ Cliff

Fri 02/01/2013 04:50 PM

XC Skiers, (* = New info)

Ski Trips:
* Meet at the Stagecoach Inn tomorrow Saturday February 02 at 10:00 AM for a trip to Chief Joseph. I expect that we will ski out the Anderson Mountain Road and some will probably want to ski down Richardson Ridge. The out and back on the Anderson Mtn Road and/or the Ander-Rich Trail is suitable for all but 1st day skiers. Those with more experience may want to ski Richardson Ridge. Those from the Bitterroot can meet us at 11:00 AM at the CJ parking lot.

* Snow conditions are a little hard to predict because it's warmed up somewhat. Yesterday snow was excellent at Lost Trail and quite good at the William's Creek Summit area. Today temperatures are just below freezing at Lost Trail but above freezing at Morgan Cr. Summit.

* Today (Friday) at Morgan Cr. Summit it was 32 at 10 AM, 36.7 at 2 pm and 34.2 at 3 PM. Conditions should be similar at William's Cr. Summit. This is probably warm enough to develop a sun crust on exposed slopes but probably not warm enough to bother the shaded gentle tracks. The William's Cr. Summit weather forecast is for a high of 36 for both Saturday and Sunday with 44% Cloudy mid-day Saturday and 49 % for Sunday.

* Today at Lost Trail Pass it was 33-34 degrees from 10 AM - 12:45 and then back to below 32 at 01:30 PM. However the Saddle Mtn. Snotel remained below 30 so I think the shaded trails should still be good. The forecast for Lost Trail is a high of 27 Sat. and 31 Sunday with 39% cloudy mid-day Saturday and 54% cloudy Sunday.

We might plan a spur of the moment trip for Sunday morning getting back before the Super Bowl.

Click here for an updated 10 day report for "Saddle Mtn" Snotel. Click here for the Lost Trail Pass weather forecast.

* Click here for the 10 day report for Morgan Cr Summit Snotel. Click here for the William's Cr. Summit weather forecast.

Click Here to go to the section of my web page that gives links to snow and weather info sources. Navigate around and find added info about the trails. One of the links is to the Bitterroot XC Ski Club's home page which includes information about their annual fundraising raffle.

PLEASE GO TO THE ODD FELLOWS BAKERY and buy one or more of the 5 dollar Bitterroot XC Ski Club Raffle Tickets. Check out the flier which lists six possible prizes or click here for the on-line version.

Upcoming Events:
The Big Hole Valley will once again host skijoring during Winterfest on Saturday, Feb. 23, and Sunday, Feb. 24. The races will be on one of the Wisdom City Streets. Click here for more information.

The fourth annual Sun Valley Nordic Festival, from Saturday, Jan. 26, through Sunday, Feb. 3 will feature new events such as the American Cross Country Skiers Masters National Championships and a daredevil mountain bike race on snow. Click here for more info.

March 2 & 3, 2013 - Sawtooth Ski Club (Stanley, ID) 11th Annual Ski Festival. Click Here.

* Here's a neat article about the Chief Joseph and Lake Como Trails and their cooperative efforts to provide both track and skate ski opportunities. Click here for more information.

If the above links don't display properly go to http://home.custertel.net/~ckeene41/xcskirpt.htm and find the on-line copy of this message.

/s/ Cliff


Fri 01/25/2013 03:18 PM

XC Skiers,

Ski Trips:
(Note I changed my mind and will ski on Sunday it looks like we might get new snow Saturday night.)

Meet at the Shoup Bridge Campground Sunday January 27 at 10:15 AM for a trip somewhere up William's Creek. Depending on snow depth we might want to consider skiing Shoshoni Meadows. Those that don't like steep slopes can ski up the bottom. It's a fairly mellow up and back. Click Here for the Wms Cr Trail Map. (Only the Lower Shoshone Trail is shown however, not the steep Upper Shoshone or the Mukluk Trails.)

I think the inversion has broken. Today the temperature at Morgan Cr Summit is about the same as our backdoor. The forecast up there is for about 4" of snow Saturday and 2" during the day on Sunday. Sunday will be slightly colder at 23 degrees but with less wind. CLICK HERE for a more current William's Cr Summit Forecast

Also: Here's a brief ski report. Morgan Cr. Summit Snotel is the best indicator of William's Cr Summit snow conditions. Snow depth has settled from 30" down to 26" in the last 10 days with almost no new snow. Click here for an update.

Lost Trail has had similar conditions based on the Saddle Mountain Snotel (Located beside the Saddle Mountain Road somewhat south of the Oreo ski trail - not at Saddle Mountain). Snow depth has settled from 48" down to 42" with a slight increase last week. Chief Joe should have slightly less. However last weekend we found adequate snow on Richardson Ridge. Click here for an updated 10 day report for "Saddle Mtn Snotel. Click here for the Lost Trail Pass weather forecast. Click Here to go to the section of my web page that gives links to snow and weather info sources. Navigate around and find added info about the trails. One of the links is to the Bitterroot XC Ski Club's home page which includes information about their annual fundraising raffle.

PLEASE GO TO THE ODD FELLOWS BAKERY and buy one or more of the 5 dollar Bitterroot XC Ski Club Raffle Tickets. Check out the flier which lists six possible prizes or click here for the on-line version.

Upcoming Events:
The Big Hole Valley will once again host skijoring during Winterfest on Saturday, Feb. 23, and Sunday, Feb. 24. The races will be on one of the Wisdom City Streets. Click here for more information.

The fourth annual Sun Valley Nordic Festival, from Saturday, Jan. 26, through Sunday, Feb. 3 will feature new events such as the American Cross Country Skiers Masters National Championships and a daredevil mountain bike race on snow. Click here for more info.

March 2 & 3, 2013—Sawtooth Ski Club (Stanley, ID) 11th Annual Ski Festival. Click Here.

Last weekend we saw the start of a dogsled race at the Lost Trail Pass snowmobile parking area. It was the Darby Dog Derby sponsored by the Bitterroot Mushers. Click here for more information.

If the above links don't display properly go to http://home.custertel.net/~ckeene41/xcskirpt.htm and find the on-line copy of this message.

/s/ Cliff

01/17/2013 21:30

XC Skiers,

Ski Trips:
Meet at the Stagecoach Inn Saturday January 19 at 10:00 AM for a trip to Chief Joseph. I expect that we will ski out the Anderson Mountain Road and some will probably want to ski down Richardson Ridge. The out and back on the Anderson Mtn Road and/or the Ander-Rich Trail is suitable for all but 1st day skiers. Those with more experience may want to ski Richardson Ridge. Those from the Bitterroot can meet us at CJ at about 11:00 AM.

Alternatively you can take part in the Bitterroot XC Ski Club lessons. Meet at noon at the CJ parking lot. This is a good opportunity for those just starting or for those that want to brush up on their flat track skills. (Lessons will be classic skiing only – not skate skiing). You don't have to car pool with us to take the lessons. (See more info below.)

Don't let the cold weather turn you off. It may be slightly cold but it's been 10-20 degrees warmer at Lost Trail and also at Morgan Cr Summit (William's Cr is similar). Snowshoers today found it much warmer at Cougar Point than at Salmon.

Also: Here's a brief ski report. I think the Morgan Cr. Summit Snotel is the best indicator of William's Cr Summit snow conditions. Since last Saturday there's been 33-30 inches of snow (the snow has settled) which is probably about what one will found above the Meadow TH and at William's Cr Summit. Below the Meadow TH the snow depth drops off. There's only 10" at Cougar Point with a poor base. I think most trails will be ok except that I don't recommend skiing all the way down to Cougar Point.

There's plenty of snow at the top of the Lost Trail Ski Area. The Saddle Mountain Snotel is beside the Saddle Mountain Road somewhat south of the Oreo ski trail (It's not at Saddle Mountain). It showed an increase from 39" to 50" last Thursday and has settled back to about 48". There was apparently about 3" of new snow earlier this week but it must have settled somewhat. Chief Joe should be about 40" or so. Click Here to go to the section of my web page that gives links to snow and weather info sources. Navigate around and find added info about the trails. One of the links is to the Bitterroot XC Ski Club's home page. I've duplicated the ski lesson info below.

Click Here for the Wms Cr Trail Map. If the above links don't display properly go to http://home.custertel.net/~ckeene41/xcskirpt.htm and find the on-line copy of this message.

/s/ Cliff

"On Saturday, January 19, we (Bitterroot XC Ski Club) will be offering our annual "FREE SKI LESSONS" for anyone who is interested in attending. We especially welcome first-time skiers and those who simply want to improve their basic skills. Lessons will begin at 12:00 noon from the trailhead parking lot.

We hope you'll join us to learn new skills or improve those you already have!"


End 01/17/2013 21:46 Report.

Monday 12/17/2012 Update:
XC Skiers,

If you have size 8.5 - 9 ski boots could you lend them; and if possible matching skis? Also if you want skis tuned contact Tawna Skinner at 756-4658. (test)

Also: Here's a brief ski report. I think the Morgan Cr. Summit Snotel is the best indicator of William's Cr Summit snow conditions. Yesterday it had 20" of snow at the same time that I measured 19" at the Meadow TH. Today we got about 5" in our yard, and Morgan Cr now shows 25". My old standby Lemhi Ridge doesn't seem to be as reliable this year.

Yesterday Snow was excellent on the Buckhorn Trail and on the William's Cr. Trail down from the big Meadow. However the upper William's Cr. Trail down to the Buckhorn Trail (at the Big Meadow) had at least one two-way snowmobile track. Fortunately they didn't go below the big meadow where we ate lunch. After skiing the meadow and down some great snow we skied out on the Upper Aspen Loop. We then crossed the road and walked up 200' or so to the Meadow Trail access point. Someone had driven a truck down about 1/4 mile but it was easy enough to ski beside the mess. The snow was then excellent down to the "William's Cr Road Cutoff", but the last section of the cutoff also had truck tracks thus spoiling a 1/4 mile (usually fun) downhill. We hit the road about 300' above the Lower Aspen loop where we had a shuttle truck. With the new snow the William's Cr trail can probably be skied down to the Lower Aspen Loop (we did it last week but felt it needed more snow). Today should have done the trick. There's still not enough snow to ski down to the Big Fir TH or down to Cougar Point however. Click Here to go to the section of my web page that gives links to snow and weather info sources. Navigate around and find added info about the trails. Click Here for the Wms Cr Trail Map. If the above links don't display properly go to http://home.custertel.net/~ckeene41/xcskirpt.htm and find the on-line copy of this message.

/s/ Cliff


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This report starts with the email I sent Friday December 14, 2012, 17:55 PM

Friday December 14, 2012, 17:55 PM - (5th report for the 2012-2013 year)

Cross Country Skiers:

Note: Blue or red underlined text is a web link. When clicking on the following links or any link it's sometimes necessary to do it twice by hitting the refresh button or F5:
If the links in this email don't display properly go to the web version.
The current version of my ski report will always be found at: http://home.custertel.net/~ckeene41/xcskirpt.htm

The 1st report for this year available at http://home.custertel.net/~ckeene41/xcskirpt1301.htm The 2nd report has the same address except it ends in 1302.htm and subsequent reports will be 1303.htm, 1304.htm etc. The last report was 1304. (Just click on the above link and change the 1301.htm to 1304.htm etc.

Additional local XC Ski info is available at my main Salmon XC Ski Page at: http://home.custertel.net/~ckeene41/cksalxcski.htm

Planned Trips:

1a. Tomorrow Saturday December 15 there will be a ski race at Chief Joseph. "This Saturday at noon, 10k and 20k classic-style races will begin from the Reese Cabin (entry fee $20). The trails will not be closed to other skiers during the races, so don't stay away simply because some people will be skiing rather quickly for part of the day". If you plan to race I'd advise you to get to the Cabin somewhat before noon. See links below for more information.

1. This Sunday, Dec 16 at 10:15 AM meet at the Shoup Bridge Campground (5 miles south of town on right) for a trip to the William's Creek Summit area. I'm tentatively planning to ski north up the Ridge Road 2 miles to the William's Creek Trail. We'll ski down that trail to either the upper or lower Aspen Loop depending on how much new snow there is. Last Tuesday the snow was great down to the Upper Aspen Loop but marginal down to the Lower Aspen Loop. With new snow it may be good all the way. There are alternatives for beginning skiers - contact me if you have questions.

2. I will probably plan a mid-week trip either Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday if it doesn't look too snowy. Let me know if you have a choice. I'll probably go up William's Creek.

Weather Road & Snow Conditions:

CHIEF JO:
Click here or click here for more or updated information (these will probably be updated tonight). (
At the 2nd link scroll down and find my previous CJ report with lots of links to current information). Basically they are grooming the trails today, but there may be new snow by tomorrow. Currently only an inch of new snow is predicted tonight. It's snowing hard now in Salmon but it doesn't look like it's snowing at all at Lost Trail Pass. Other previous reports were: "Friday (14Dec12): An extra large group of groomers are working the trails today. All the trails will be leveled and tracks set for the first time this season. Skiing conditions should be perfect all weekend" and: "Wednesday 12Dec12: The groomers worked the trails again today. 30+ fallen trees were removed from the upper trails. However, this time the crew managed to roll all the upper trails and make the first pass of the season down Banshee and up Joseph Creek. On Friday (14Dec12) the trails will be leveled and tracks set for the first time this season".

On 09Dec12 a group of us skied out (south of the CJ parking lot and south of Hwy 43) on the Anderson Mountain Road a few miles to the Big Meadow. After lunch we skied back to the Ander-Rich Trail. Most of the group skied up the recently marked "South Extension" of the Ander-Rich Trail to the Richardson Cr. Trail. Part of the group skied down the Richardson Cr. Trail and part of the group skied back to CJ on the main Ander-Rich Trail. The snow was very good. Click here for a map that shows these trails.

Click Here to go to my "General Web Links Re. Local XC Skiing" which includes links to weather & trail information. Note especially that the Bitterroot XC Ski Club has extensively revised their web site and (at least now) has current trail information. They have also updated their on-line map so that the new "multi use" trails are shown. There is also a similar trail report at the Missoula Nordic site.

Last Saturday December 8th the Saddle Mountain Snotel depth was about 40" with snow water of 8.5" and at 0100 this morning 14Dec12 the depth was only 39"; however there's been quite a bit of new snow since last Saturday as evidenced by the increase to 9.4" of water content. I've been estimating that Chief Jo's snow depth is about 6" less, or about 33".

Almost all of the Snotel sites in the Salmon Basin have above average snow moisture (the basin average is about 125% of normal). This morning the 39" of snow at Saddle Mountain had 9.4" of water which was 122% of the 30 year average. Total snowpack density was 24%. Click here for a listing of these values for other nearby Snotel sites. Note that only Moose Cr had a below average value. Note that the sites that I've been using for William's Cr. Summit snow depths have the following snow depth: Lemhi Ridge 17" and Morgan Creek and Schwartz Lake both have 20".

William's Creek: (See Snotel Info in previous paragraph.)
On Tuesday, December 11, Gene, Tim, Lou, Dave and I skied up the Buckhorn Trail and down the William's Creek Trail to, and out on, the Lower Aspen Loop. The snow was plenty deep on the Buckhorn Trail to the Big Meadow and good all the way down to the Upper Aspen Loop. Below the Upper Aspen Loop more snow depth was needed. We hit a couple of rocks and sticks. Sunday we'll monitor what our ski tracks look like and if completely filled in we might ski below the Upper Aspen Loop - if not that will be the upper limit.

There is plenty of snow on the Upper Meadow Trail and Wapiti Loop. I can't say for sure but the Meadow Trail MAY be skiable down the William's Cr. Road Cutoff Trail to the Lower Aspen Loop Trailhead.

There's not enough snow to ski down to Cougar Point and the Lower William's Cr. Trail from the Big Fir TH only has 1 - 5" of snow and not recommended (although we did flat track out and back and only hit a few rocks).

Use my link below to get more current snow and weather information.

Click Here to go to my "General Web Links Re. Local XC Skiing" which includes links to weather & trail information.

OTHER NEWS: (Duplicate of Last Weeks report from here down.)

1. Previously I discovered that the new multi use trails are shown on the new "2012-2013 Chief Joseph Pass & nearby Cross-Country Ski Trails Map". Maps are available at the trailhead, and from many businesses in the Bitterroot and in Salmon. Be sure and pick one up. One side also has most of the "ungroomed" trails that we often ski.

Click Here for my partial copy of the above map or better yet click on the Club's on-line map. The following is a brief description of the trails. Much of the "multi use trail" is on the Gibbon's Pass Road. This road starts at the snowmobile parking area at Lost Trail Pass and climbs about a mile where it is joined on the right by the road that's the Broadway XC Ski Trail (another access point). The multi use trail climbs almost up to the Continental Divide where it bears left away from the Gibbon's Pass Road and onto a substandard road (I think Road #73537) called the "Overlook" and continues about 3 miles or so where a spur trail called the "Cut thru" bears right, crosses the divide and joins the Gibbons Pass Road again. Here the route can go left to join the Trail Cr Road and right down that to Hogan's Cabin, and up the logging road labeled "Hogan's Run" and right onto the Gibbon's Pass Road and back to the "Cut thru". Those with dogs will need to start from the Lost Trail Pass parking lot. For more information about dogs CLICK HERE (you may need to scroll down to find my post).

Those wanting to skate ski can now ski on the Broadway Trail. As stated above, Broadway is one access route to the multi use trails, although dogs are not permitted on Broadway. (Note that with the amount of snow that came today and predicted this weekend you may need to wait for more grooming.)

Click Here and click here for more information about these trails.

2. I encourage you to join the Bitterroot Cross Country Ski Club. Their year starts on Nov. 1st and dues are $15 for an individual. I've been doing this for several years to help support the club and their excellent work. Click here for the membership application or renewal form.

Sources of Ski Equipment:

1. The REI in Missoula has various ski waxing & other classes.

2. The. Montana Trail Head Store often has used equipment.

3. Open Road Bicycle in Missoula has Nordic gear

4. Valley Bicycles & Ski at 219 South 1st Street, Hamilton, MT 59840 (406) 363-4428. Is probably the closest vendor for Nordic ski equipment.

5. Fred's Ski Shop north of town at 9 Coles Lane at 756-4753 has alpine ski equipment and does tuning on downhill and telemark skis. He also sells Lost Trail Ski Area ten day passes.

6. Tawna Skinner services cross country skis and equipment. She will also give cross country and telemark ski instruction. Click here for details.

7. Low Binik makes outdoor clothing - 756-3699.

As stated above, this report is also on the web at: http://home.custertel.net/~ckeene41/xcskirpt.htm

/s/ Cliff

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TABLE OF CONTENTS: (Click on the following to jump down to that section. Hit the Back Button to return here.)
1. PLANNED TRIPS: (See above)
2. PREVIOUS TRIPS:
3. Ski Trail Condition Reports: WILLIAM'S CR. TRAILS: ,     CHIEF JOSEPH - ANDERSON MT. ROAD AREA:
 4. MISC.:   
5. AVALANCHE:
6. OTHER WEB LINKS:

INTRODUCTION: To better understand planned trips and previous trip reports, I encourage you to get three maps. Go to the A. INTRODUCTION Section of my Salmon Idaho Cross-Country Ski Web Page for Details.

The current ski report will always be, posted on http://home.custertel.net/~ckeene41/xcskirpt.htm.

If you want me to make changes on the email list, call me at 208-756-2085 or email me. You can get my email from the messages that I send to you or call me. Currently we have about have about 80 on the list.

PLANNED TRIPS:
See above.

PREVIOUS TRIPS:
For a short description of previous years ski trips go to the report for the 2011 - 2012 season  Scroll down, or click on the links for the latest and subsequent months for the season. NOTE also that there are links to the reports for trips from 2004 - 2009.

SKI REPORT:

WILLIAM'S CR. TRAILS:

CHIEF JOSEPH - ANDERSON MT. ROAD AREA

Click Here for the Missoula Nordic Grooming Info page. Scroll down for my latest Chief Joseph Pass report. Also see the link to the Lake Como Trails. Go to my home page at: http://home.custertel.net/~ckeene41/ and follow the links to more XC Ski info.

Lost Trail Ski Area

MISC.:

AVALANCHE:

OTHER WEB LINKS:
Links not yet in "CLIFF'S SALMON IDAHO, CROSS-COUNTRY SKI PAGE:
Here's a link to a site that describes the TEN ESSENTIALS to carry on the trail. He's added a few additional items:
http://www.isu.edu/outdoor/ten.htm

* Possible Ski Related News:

  The Outdoors Sections of the Missoulian and the Ravalli Republic on-line newspapers often have articles of interest.
  CLICK HERE for the Outdoors Section of the Missoulian On-Line. Check out the latest Outdoors News Briefs.
* CLICK HERE for the Outdoors Section of the Ravalli Republic.
        Here's an examples of some of their reporting. One is about the Lost Trail Ski Area and some previous changes.

* Here's the NEW WEST SNOWBLOG which may have local skiing info from time to time.
** Click here for wintertime articles by a local reporter.

 CLICK HERE for the Outdoors Section of the Boise Idaho Statesman  * or Click Here for Winter Recreation only.

** Check out the Idaho Summit's Idaho Outdoors Message Forum for some good trip reports.

** Another good site is the Telemark Tips Site and their Telemark Tips Discussion Forum.


Here's an interesting link to some history of ski (mountaineering) equipment:
http://www.alpenglow.org/ski-history/notes/ms/rei-catalogs.html

Here's Lou Binik's "Foxwear" web site:
http://www.foxwear.net/. Be sure to copy or type this correctly. "foxware.net", "foxware.com" and "foxwear.com" are all different sites.

Tawna Skinner services cross country skis and equipment. She will also give cross country and telemark ski instruction.
Details are at: http://home.custertel.net/~ckeene41/TawnaXCski.htm 

Pray for snow,
Cliff Keene, Salmon, Idaho

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